for obama, there's no free lunch from raising taxes either. they're both going to face, i think, very similar realities. as i like to say, the math is inexrabble. >> it isn't the same. the math isn't the same. i believe that if you do the right thing, you broaden the tax base, you take away the loopholes, i think that there is a nonstatic aspect. there's economic growth that can make up a difference, which is at the epicenter of that 5 trillion number. >> not just that, they both have very different attitudes about spending. >> but guys -- >> which they've highlighted. >> i think we're at a point now where we've figured out tax cuts don't pay for themselves. >> i disagree. tax cuts that last one year where you don't know what the next two, three, or four years is going to be. if we had a tax going on for a long time, i think it would be a big time boost to the economy. >> very, very quickly, guys. look, they've only got 30 days after the election. i know the negotiations have already started. what would a compromise look like that would please